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Writing Blog Number 2

by Santeven Quokklaus

Rated: 18+ · Book · Personal · #2311764

This is a continuation of my blogging here at WdC

This will be a blog for my writing, maybe with (too much) personal thrown in. I am hoping it will be a little more interactive, with me answering questions, helping out and whatnot. If it falls this year (2024), then I may stop the whole blogging thing, but that's all a "wait and see" scenario.

An index of topics can be found here: "Writing Blog No.2 Index"

Feel free to comment and interact.

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10 Most Recent Blog Comments:

Kåre เลียม Enga

Dec 21, 2024 at 12:34am
In response to "20241221 Kudzu Plotting"

IMO Anne McCaffrey does this well with the parallel Dragonriders of Pern and Harper Hall trilogies. Adults-with-dragons; youth with fire-dragons. Memorable world building. Wonderful characters.

Kudzu the plant... only a curse for those who don't know its uses: forage, food, fiber.

Santeven Quokklaus

Dec 19, 2024 at 7:09pm
In response to "20241219 'Misogyny' In Writing"

🐕GeminiGem🎁 - I chose Grease because it is so egregious and goes against everything Sandy had demonstrated up to that point. Dirty Dancing was set a few years later (early 60s), and, though Baby changes, it is gradual and is more a change of growing up, being true to herself. So, I think the time period can be used effectively without being so demeaning. As I see it.

🐕GeminiGem🎁

Dec 19, 2024 at 6:58pm
In response to "20241219 'Misogyny' In Writing"

I agree that when a woman changes herself to attract a man shows misogyny and is annoying...but...using the movie Grease as an example it an interesting choice. Yes, the lead female changes her appearance to appeal to the male. I think it was more because of peer pressure, but the peer pressure happened because of the pervasive misogyny of the peers. Interestingly, the male character does the exact same thing for the same reasons.

The movie is set in the 1950's, a time where the misogyny we see now is even waaaay worse. So, here is a thought. If you are writing about a time period like that and are showing social interactions of the characters, something like the pervasive misogyny is going to be true to the time and place the story takes place. Does that excuse it? No, of course not, but having present-day sensibilities in an era like that would make the story seem really off.

Kåre เลียม Enga

Dec 19, 2024 at 3:57am
In response to "20241219 'Misogyny' In Writing"

In my travels I try to connect with most everyone. I wonder what my stats would be... but many contacts have names whether human or not, whether the boss or 'servant' or guest.

In my writings...

thinking.

I do have characters without names.

SAD Holiday Potato

Dec 18, 2024 at 3:54pm
In response to "20241218 Children Characters"

As someone who is an Aunt to two children who have an age difference of four years, I can definitely tell you that they act completely different. Even though one of them is neurodivergent, the older one definitely acts more mature than the younger one.(also the older one has never tried to lick my feet.)

With very few exceptions, I've never had to tell an adult "stop eating my dress," "please don't lick me" or "stop pulling my hair," to anyone over the age of six. Yet within the last year or so I've had to tell my five year old niece these things repeatedly. She thinks this is hilarious.

Anyways, thanks for pointing out that kids aren't just miniature adults! I'll try to keep that in mind while writing.

Santeven Quokklaus

Dec 18, 2024 at 6:44am
In response to "20241218 Children Characters"

Elisa: Snowman Stik - Writing about those who are neurodivergent is not something I feel I can talk about comfortably. I am trained as a teacher of those on the spectrum, and so I would not write a character in that regard because I do not feel it is my story to tell. But, yes, that last point may not apply to a child with developmental issues.

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Elisa: Snowman Stik

Dec 18, 2024 at 6:28am
In response to "20241218 Children Characters"

I am curious if there is wiggle room for the last point for child characters with developmental disabilities. (I do recognize this kind of character presents its own set of development pitfalls in terms of depicting the disability without stereotyping. That said, I think this can be a reasonable exception to the rule when done with care.)

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Dave Ryan

Dec 16, 2024 at 1:26am
In response to "20241216 Poor Characterisation"

There was once a variation of "compressed vice" in an original episode of Star Trek ("Who Mourns for Adonais?"), where a landing party of the usual suspects + one random never-seen-before-or-since female crew member are captured by the god Apollo and they turn the usually gruff Scotty into a simpering, love-struck puppy to try to introduce some conflict when Apollo puts the moves on her. Why they didn't just have Kirk horndogging it as usual I do not know - at least then everybody would have remained consistently in character. It looks like Scotty, it sounds like Scotty, but WTF?

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SAD Holiday Potato

Dec 14, 2024 at 3:41pm
In response to "20241214 Punk Genres"

This is interesting yet confusing. So basically it's like world building but with the word "punk" in there to make it sound cooler.
Maybe I misunderstand.

Kåre เลียม Enga

Dec 7, 2024 at 2:55am
In response to "20241207 Problems With Using Reality"

That or "to-ell-wit-it" and suffer the consequences.

Every society draws the lines differently. A traveler needs to be aware. Even words matter. The British and Thais are strict when it comes to slander.

May 4, 2024 at 12:14am

#1070494

20240504 I Or Me?

I Or Me?

So, this has come about because during my reviewing here on WdC, I have seen this error creep in more and more.

When do we use “me” or “I”?

So, this involves use of the first person pronoun, indicating the writer is the one the story happens to; this is first person Point of View. (For an explanation of Points of View, see: "20240121 Point Of View"

)

Speaking in purely technical terms, “I” is the subjective, “me” is the objective.
Easy, huh?

Okay, “I” comes before a verb.
I went to the shops.
I was shot by an arrow.

“Me” comes after a verb.
He gave me a book.
The arrow shot me.

“Me” also follows prepositions.
The cat slept on me.
The book was given to me.
She winked at me.

The confusion comes when the narrator is not the only person being spoken about.
Bob and I went to the shops.
The dog licked Bob and me.
Sue smiled at Bob and me.
NOT
Bob and me went to the shops.
The dog licked Bob and I.
Sue smiled at Bob and I

So, how can we tell what is what?
The simple rule of thumb is, if in doubt, split the sentence and see how it sounds. For example:
Bob and I went to the shops.
becomes
Bob went to the shops.
I went to the shops.
That is how simple sentences work, so the initial Bob and I went to the shops. is correct.
On the other hand,
Bob and me went to the shops.
becomes
Bob went to the shops.
Me went to the shops. (not good)
So the initial Bob and me went to the shops. is wrong.

Let’s look at another example:
Sue smiled at Bob and me.
This breaks down to:
Sue smiled at Bob.
Sue smiled at me.
All good, so the initial Sue smiled at Bob and me. is the right way to go.
On the other hand,
Sue smiled at Bob and I
breaks down to
Sue smiled at Bob. (good)
Sue smiled at I (not good)
Therefore, the initial Sue smiled at Bob and I is wrong.

There is one other time when this is often confused, and that is when the word between is used.
“Between” always involves two (or more) options, so there is not singular you can break it down to. However, “between” is a preposition, so it uses me.
The ball went between Sue and me and then down the hill.
This is correct.
The ball went between Sue and I and then down the hill.
This is not correct.
The reason this is an issue is that the second one sounds perfectly fine. In this case, swap the word “between” out for “into” and see if it makes sense.
The ball went into Sue and me and then down the hill.
The ball went into Sue and then down the hill.
The ball went into me and then down the hill.
This is correct.
The ball went between Sue and I and then down the hill.
The ball went into Sue and then down the hill.
The ball went into I and then down the hill.
The final sentence means this is not correct.

Finally,
Plurals
The plural of I is we.
The plural of me is us
Everything I explained above applies here as well.

This has been another technical post, but I do hope it helps someone.

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