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Writing Blog Number 2

by S

Rated: 18+ · Book · Personal · #2311764

This is a continuation of my blogging here at WdC

This will be a blog for my writing, maybe with (too much) personal thrown in. I am hoping it will be a little more interactive, with me answering questions, helping out and whatnot. If it falls this year (2024), then I may stop the whole blogging thing, but that's all a "wait and see" scenario.

An index of topics can be found here: "Writing Blog No.2 Index"

Feel free to comment and interact.

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10 Most Recent Blog Comments:

Kåre เลียม Enga

26 minutes ago
In response to "20241228 Messages In Writing"

It's the same with setting. There's no need to dump everything on the first page. Or describing the main character in minute details ad nauseum.

Is Narnia Christian? If it's a great story well told, does it matter?

Kåre เลียม Enga

Dec 21, 2024 at 12:34am
In response to "20241221 Kudzu Plotting"

IMO Anne McCaffrey does this well with the parallel Dragonriders of Pern and Harper Hall trilogies. Adults-with-dragons; youth with fire-dragons. Memorable world building. Wonderful characters.

Kudzu the plant... only a curse for those who don't know its uses: forage, food, fiber.

Dec 19, 2024 at 7:09pm
In response to "20241219 'Misogyny' In Writing"

🐕GeminiGem🎁 - I chose Grease because it is so egregious and goes against everything Sandy had demonstrated up to that point. Dirty Dancing was set a few years later (early 60s), and, though Baby changes, it is gradual and is more a change of growing up, being true to herself. So, I think the time period can be used effectively without being so demeaning. As I see it.

🐕GeminiGem🎁

Dec 19, 2024 at 6:58pm
In response to "20241219 'Misogyny' In Writing"

I agree that when a woman changes herself to attract a man shows misogyny and is annoying...but...using the movie Grease as an example it an interesting choice. Yes, the lead female changes her appearance to appeal to the male. I think it was more because of peer pressure, but the peer pressure happened because of the pervasive misogyny of the peers. Interestingly, the male character does the exact same thing for the same reasons.

The movie is set in the 1950's, a time where the misogyny we see now is even waaaay worse. So, here is a thought. If you are writing about a time period like that and are showing social interactions of the characters, something like the pervasive misogyny is going to be true to the time and place the story takes place. Does that excuse it? No, of course not, but having present-day sensibilities in an era like that would make the story seem really off.

Kåre เลียม Enga

Dec 19, 2024 at 3:57am
In response to "20241219 'Misogyny' In Writing"

In my travels I try to connect with most everyone. I wonder what my stats would be... but many contacts have names whether human or not, whether the boss or 'servant' or guest.

In my writings...

thinking.

I do have characters without names.

SAD Holiday Potato

Dec 18, 2024 at 3:54pm
In response to "20241218 Children Characters"

As someone who is an Aunt to two children who have an age difference of four years, I can definitely tell you that they act completely different. Even though one of them is neurodivergent, the older one definitely acts more mature than the younger one.(also the older one has never tried to lick my feet.)

With very few exceptions, I've never had to tell an adult "stop eating my dress," "please don't lick me" or "stop pulling my hair," to anyone over the age of six. Yet within the last year or so I've had to tell my five year old niece these things repeatedly. She thinks this is hilarious.

Anyways, thanks for pointing out that kids aren't just miniature adults! I'll try to keep that in mind while writing.

Dec 18, 2024 at 6:44am
In response to "20241218 Children Characters"

Elisa: Snowman Stik - Writing about those who are neurodivergent is not something I feel I can talk about comfortably. I am trained as a teacher of those on the spectrum, and so I would not write a character in that regard because I do not feel it is my story to tell. But, yes, that last point may not apply to a child with developmental issues.

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Elisa: Snowman Stik

Dec 18, 2024 at 6:28am
In response to "20241218 Children Characters"

I am curious if there is wiggle room for the last point for child characters with developmental disabilities. (I do recognize this kind of character presents its own set of development pitfalls in terms of depicting the disability without stereotyping. That said, I think this can be a reasonable exception to the rule when done with care.)

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Dave Ryan

Dec 16, 2024 at 1:26am
In response to "20241216 Poor Characterisation"

There was once a variation of "compressed vice" in an original episode of Star Trek ("Who Mourns for Adonais?"), where a landing party of the usual suspects + one random never-seen-before-or-since female crew member are captured by the god Apollo and they turn the usually gruff Scotty into a simpering, love-struck puppy to try to introduce some conflict when Apollo puts the moves on her. Why they didn't just have Kirk horndogging it as usual I do not know - at least then everybody would have remained consistently in character. It looks like Scotty, it sounds like Scotty, but WTF?

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SAD Holiday Potato

Dec 14, 2024 at 3:41pm
In response to "20241214 Punk Genres"

This is interesting yet confusing. So basically it's like world building but with the word "punk" in there to make it sound cooler.
Maybe I misunderstand.

February 15, 2024 at 3:31am

#1064210

20240215 Mary Sue/Marty Stu (Gary Stu)

Mary Sue/Marty Stu (Gary Stu)

Following yesterday's post, I was asked what a Mary Sue was.

Simply put - this is a character to avoid. In general.

A Mary Sue/Marty Stu is a character who is a thinly veiled and idealised version of the author put into the story for one of three things – wish fulfillment, self-aggrandisement, and/or narcissism. There is not really a consensus of what actually makes a character a Mary Sue, but generally they are the best-looking (or have some minor flaws that they are later told are beautiful anyway), have something unusual about them physically or mentally (not like other girls is the trope here), have enhanced skill or knowledge or intelligence or wisdom, and are usually the centre of absolutely everything in the story.

Worse, they "fix" the bad boy. Against everything psychology tells us is possible.

A Marty (Gary) Stu is the male counterpart. He is good at sports, good at school, likes reading and doing things that other tease him about, but is generally liked by everyone. And he "fixes" the broken girl. Broken? Yeah, bad choice of words, but that is how it is portrayed, even though the girl might just be sad, depressed or just feeling lonely. I don't make the rules. Oh, the girl cannot sleep around because the Marty Stu would never help a "slut." And, again, I wish I was joking.

Famous Mary Sues include Bella Swan (Twilight), Anastasia Steele (50 Shades Of Grey - one of the worst), and Hermione Granger (Harry Potter books). Famous Marty Stus include Eragon (Eragon), James Bond (in the books), and Superman (the original comics). In some cases – Hermione, Bond and Superman – the creators have admitted they are author inserts. The others it feels obvious.

I will say, Hermione Granger and Superman overcame their Sue/Stu origins because of the skills of the writers. The other 4... not so much!

Now, if you want to write yourself into this situation (especially popular in fan fiction), then that is fine – it is your story. And, note, all the examples I have given come from very well-selling books or comics series. Just because a character is a Mary Sue/Marty Stu does not mean the story will fail to work. Just be aware that audiences are growing more and more wary of them, but they have worked in the past, and will continue to work in the future, if done well or combined with other story objects.

However, as a character... they are usually not good.

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