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The Last Story of Samuel and Saul

"Brother it would take hours to answer all those questions. Maybe we should focus on one thing at a time. Like the Saints, when we look at these scriptures we see that the Bible shows whether right or wrong that there were communions between men and the men who have pasted onto the next life.
1Sam28;12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.

Now remember Samual is dead..
.1Sam28;13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
Notice he bows to this saint and showes reverence..
1Sam28;15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

Notice he says , why have you brought me up, not down. And he says"therefore I have called thee, that thouest may make known to me what I shall do." Now this sure sounds like He is praying to Samual to me.

Do you need more scriptural proof on the saints?
Peace be with you...."


"I'm sorry I tryed to read this without debating but I had to.
First you sayed that samual is dead right?
Well then you have to read further back in the scripture and it sayes he whent to see a magitian and the magitian show ed him that. Now the devil can make false images of people to lead you astray. I believe that samual was a demon in that verse by pretending to be samual. if God whanted saule to hear a dead man he would have had Jesus tell him not a dead profet. The devilcan't look like Jesus or God. so he had to look like a profit. the magitian is a devil worshiper. sorry I could't keep my mouth shut."


Actually, Samuel was Samuel and not a demon impersonating Samuel based on this scripture:

1 Samuel 28
Saul and the Spirit Medium
1 Now it came about in those days that the Philistines gathered their armed camps for war, to fight against Israel. And Achish said to David, "Know assuredly that you will go out with me in the camp, you and your men."
2 David said to Achish, "Very well, you shall know what your servant can do." So Achish said to David, "Very well, I will make you my bodyguard for life."
3 Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had lamented him and buried him in Ramah, his own city And Saul had removed from the land those who were mediums and spiritists.
4 So the Philistines gathered together and came and camped in Shunem; and Saul gathered all Israel together and they camped in Gilboa.
5 When Saul saw the camp of the Philistines, he was afraid and his heart trembled greatly.
6 When Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD did not answer him, either by dreams or by Urim or by prophets.
7 Then Saul said to his servants, "Seek for me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her." And his servants said to him, "Behold, there is a woman who is a medium at En-dor."
8 Then Saul disguised himself by putting on other clothes, and went, he and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night; and he said, "Conjure up for me, please, and bring up for me whom I shall name to you."
9 But the woman said to him, "Behold, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off those who are mediums and spiritists from the land. Why are you then laying a snare for my life to bring about my death?"
10 Saul vowed to her by the LORD, saying, "As the LORD lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing."
11 Then the woman said, "Whom shall I bring up for you?" And he said, "Bring up Samuel for me."
12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice; and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, "Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul."
13 The king said to her, "Do not be afraid; but what do you see?" And the woman said to Saul, "I see a divine being coming up out of the earth."
14 He said to her, "What is his form?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is wrapped with a robe "And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground and did homage.
15 Then Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am greatly distressed; for the Philistines are waging war against me, and God has departed from me and no longer answers me, either through prophets or by dreams; therefore I have called you, that you may make known to me what I should do."
16 Samuel said, "Why then do you ask me, since the LORD has departed from you and has become your adversary?
17 "The LORD has done accordingly as He spoke through me; for the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, to David.
18 "As you did not obey the LORD and did not execute His fierce wrath on Amalek, so the LORD has done this thing to you this day.
19 "Moreover the LORD will also give over Israel along with you into the hands of the Philistines, therefore tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Indeed the LORD will give over the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines!"
20 Then Saul immediately fell full length upon the ground and was very afraid because of the words of Samuel; also there was no strength in him, for he had eaten no food all day and all night.

If Samuel was being impersonated by a demon, then why would Samuel in verse 15 be disturbed at Saul bringing him up? If anything, given Saul's pathetic state at this point of his life, a demon probably wouldn't mind being conjured up by Saul's spirit medium.  Moreover, Samuel, in his true prophetic fashion of the LORD, obediently and righteously prophesies over Saul in verses 16-19 despite being disturbed since those events in question did come to pass with Saul and his army.  Just because Samuel was conjured up by a spirit medium doesn't mean it was a demon impersonating him, as the highlighted verses show.

Blessings,
Shaun


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